mellowyel = me

Session Start: Wed Jan 26 19:39:15 2000
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*** Topic is 'Happy Happy Birthday Willster from the cast and crew at #christian'
*** Set by eagles on Wed Jan 26 05:37:03
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*** abrasion is now known as mellowyel
<mellowyel> hey
<mellowyel> how can i heal like jesus
<Phoenix__> hi
<mellowyel> because i was watching tv on sunday
<bud2dma0X> mellowyel~ it is not our place to heal physical wounds.
<mellowyel> and a guy was using jesus's power to heal the pain inflicted
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<bud2dma0X> mellow~ pray that God speed the healing, but thats it.
<bud2dma0X> you can't do much more :)
<mellowyel> how come he charged money then...
<mellowyel> i think god's services should be free
<mellowyel> like praying
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<Frieza> Anyone ehre know which is healthier? (ie less fat) Frozen Pizza  or pizza-hut pizza
<mellowyel> frozen pizaa
<mellowyel> becuz pizza hut workers dont wash their hands
<Frieza> Mellow:im serious, as in which as more fat frozen or pizza-hut
<mellowyel> have you looked at pizza hut pizza lately?
<mellowyel> it drips grease
<Euph> frozen pizzas do too, once they aren't frozen
<mellowyel> and half the pizza industry workers in the US really DONT wash their hands
<Euph> mellowyel, you should do as your /nick says. A few germs here and there never did anyone any harm. Boosts the immune system and stuff
* Euph coughs up a hairball
<mellowyel> mmmhmmmm
<mellowyel> you keep believing that
<mellowyel> i was at this site
<mellowyel> website*
<mellowyel> http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/index.html
<mellowyel> and it says there is no god
<Phoenix__> Euph better a hairball than a furball :)
<mellowyel> how can there be no god
<mellowyel> because how did we get here then
<Frieza> atheism?
<Frieza> there is a god 
<PsyVampyr> ?
<Frieza> those who dont belive in god are in for DEEP TROUBLE
<mellowyel> they are going to be punished
<Euph> I'm not
<mellowyel> if people of a hindu belief pray to their god
<mellowyel> such as Buddah
<mellowyel> where does the prayer go
<Euph> why would hindus pray to buddha?
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<mellowyel> the religeon being buddah
<mellowyel> or if people of an arabic descent are praying to Allah
<Euph> buddah isn't a religion, it's a typo. or the noise machine guns make in comics
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<mellowyel> does it go to a separate god?
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<PsyVampyr> buddah isnt a god either :)
<bud2dma0X> !niv isaiah 59:2
<logos3> bud2dma0X: Isaiah 59:2 "2 But your iniquities have separated you from your {God;} your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear." (NIV)
<Euph> no, neither is buddha
<mellowyel> buddhism is a religeon, i dont know what the god is in it
<PsyVampyr> sigh i hate trolls who pray on typos
<bud2dma0X> buddha was a man who loved peace.
<bud2dma0X> but should not be worshiped.
<mellowyel> isnt that the same with jesus
<Frieza> no
<Frieza> Jesus
<Frieza> Is GOD
<Frieza> and is to be worshipped
<mellowyel> no, jesus is god's son, maybe you could look at him like an extension of god
<Euph> no, if you believe the scripture, he was the son of God, and that's a bit different to just being a peaceful bloke.
<bud2dma0X> !niv colossians 2:9
<logos3> bud2dma0X: Colossians 2:9 "9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form," (NIV)
<bud2dma0X> !kjv colossians 2:9
<logos3> bud2dma0X: Colossians 2:9 "9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." (KJV)
<bud2dma0X> Jesus was 100% God and on earth was ALSO 100% Man
<bud2dma0X> :)
<bud2dma0X> God the Father calls his own Son God in hebrews.
<bud2dma0X> !kjv hebrews 1:8
<logos3> bud2dma0X: Hebrews 1:8 "8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." (KJV)
<mellowyel> shouldnt you all hate jews, because they killed jesus
<Sun`Re> brb
<bud2dma0X> no, Jesus was the king of the Jews..
<mellowyel> but they killed him
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<mellowyel> they musta not liked him much
<mellowyel> nazi's hated jews, and they were all religeous
<bud2dma0X> !sniv first jew then greek
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<bud2dma0X> !sniv jew greek
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<bud2dma0X> !sniv jew gentile
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<bud2dma0X> !kjv first jew then greek
<bud2dma0X> !skjv first jew then greek
<bud2dma0X> !skjv first jew then greek
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<bud2dma0X> hmm
<bud2dma0X> !kjv romans 1:16
<logos3> bud2dma0X: Romans 1:16 "16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that {believeth;} to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." (KJV)
<Euph> he sought to bring about change, and people don't like change much.
<bud2dma0X> the Jew is saved before the Gentile, according to this verse
<Mickster> !kjv rom 2:10
<logos3> Mickster: Rom 2:10 "10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:" (KJV)
<bud2dma0X> wonderful mick :)
<mellowyel> "If the probability of something happening is less than about 1e-15 (or 0.000000000000001) it is considered to be impossible. The probability of life occuring 'by accident' is far less than this, therefore it must be a miracle caused by God.." 
<mellowyel> What's wrong with this? Several things: 
<mellowyel> It ignores the size of the universe. There are hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, any of which might have planets capable of supporting life. Even an "impossibly improbable" event is almost a certainty (and we already know of one planet that supports life). 
<mellowyel> Statistics are fun, aren't they? Shuffle a deck of playing cards, and lay them out on a table. The probability of the sequence you see appearing is 1/52 for the first card, 1/52 x 1/51 at the second card, 1/52 x 1/51 x 1/50 by the third card and so on. The probability that you produced the sequence you just did is 1/52 x 1/51 x 1/50......x 1/3 x 1/2 x 1/1 ( more simply, 1/(52!) ), or 1.2398e-68 (which is an incredible 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000012398).
<bud2dma0X> mellow~ ahhh!
<mellowyel> read
<mellowyel> You have just done something statistically impossible, trillions of times more unlikely than the formation of life (some say 1e-50 is the "impossibility threshold" instead, but we've beaten that as well). You could even do it six times before breakfast every day! 
<mellowyel> (Try it yourself: if your calculator can do factorials use that
<Mickster> Mellow: are you arguing in favor of macro evolution?
<mellowyel> this = my theory
<mellowyel> here we go
<mellowyel> the big bang = god
<mellowyel> he died
<mellowyel> we evolved
<Mickster> What is your basis for that?
<mellowyel> make your god appear in front of me right now
<mellowyel> i dare you
<Mickster> Why?
<mellowyel> you cant prove that he still exists
<Mickster> That's the argument from silence.
<mellowyel> he may have at one time
<Mickster> Prove to me right now that you have thoughts.
<Mickster> It's the same type of argument.
<bud2dma0X> !kjv gen 1:1
<logos3> bud2dma0X: Gen 1:1 "1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (KJV)
<mellowyel> i can prove i have thoughts by saying one word
<bud2dma0X> well, that about sums it up!
<Mickster> No you can't.
<Euph> Hmm. point proven mellow. well done. You are clever and your evidence is overwhelmingly convincing.
<Mickster> The word does not equal your thoughts.
<mellowyel> because without thoughts i could never accomplish piecing it together and proucing sound
<Mickster> Prove that numbers exist.
<bud2dma0X> !kjv gen 1:1
<logos3> bud2dma0X: Gen 1:1 "1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (KJV)
<bud2dma0X> well, that about sums it up!
<mellowyel> who says they do
<mellowyel> we made numbers to make life easier
<mellowyel> they have no basis in the universe
<mellowyel> only in our heads
<Mickster> Words do not prove that you have thoughts. You still can't show me your thoughts.
<mellowyel> you still cant show me your god
<mellowyel> so we are at a standstill
<Mickster> I can say that life as we know it can't be sustained without God. That's exactly the same as your argument.
<mellowyel> my heart is beating
<Mickster> You still can't show me your thoughts.
<Euph> mell, I could be imagining you saying things.
<mellowyel> and its not being helped by religeon in any way
<mellowyel> i dont have to goto church to be sustained
<Euph> mellow, it appears to be. Prove to me that it is.
<Mickster> It doesn't matter if you show me the *evidence* of brain movement, you still can't *prove* to me that your thoughts exist.
<Mickster> You cannot *show* me your thoughts.
<mellowyel> when you die, send me a sign from heaven
<mellowyel> and ill change my views
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<mellowyel> l8r gators
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Session Close: Wed Jan 26 20:00:36 2000